Grateful Dead Live at Fox Theater on 1980-11-30
complete; MSC> Reel> DATs> CDRs> EAC> SHN (set I and Scarlet>Fire from Set II); remainder Jim Wise's Sony ECM280s> D5> DATs> CDRs> EAC> SHN, also with patches from other AUDs (see info file); via Scott Clugston, Dankstar, Darrin Sacks; upgrade relative to previous shn set; note copy a noted at shakedown- has fixed track boundaries, copy b noted at gdlive does not (d3 is same for both)- see pub comments
Subject: Stan L. Real fine Stranger, A1 Sauce on the Scarlet Fire!
Subject: Please Fix
Subject: Jerry could SING back then!!
I'm here to tell you listen closely to Jerry's vocals. Seriously. For a singer known for just muddling through the words and forgetting them half the time, he's pitch-perfect this night. Check out Ship of Fools and listen for his attacks, the way he bends the notes with his voice, the slowwwwww release. He sings this version with deliberate care and attention. Who'da thunk it? One reasons that Reckoning was a good album, recorded just months earlier.
Unexpected virtuosity. One reason I love the Dead.
*listen to how off-kilter Big River constitutes itself and never shakes. *This* is absolutely awesome!
*S>F - special indeed.
*This Playin' is as good as anything this side of Hofheinz. They put the petal to the floorboard on this one - just searing, absolutely electric, scalding-white hot energy here.
*The Wheel. Jer's studio pedal-steel take on "Garcia" will always be my favorite version, but here's my favorite one live. Brent inducts the song from Space with some serious synth color, and Mickey and Billy manage to keep the beat nice and restrained (they sometimes too often double-timed this one). Going into a small jam and then into China Doll...I tell you what, this is SUBLIME STUFF.
*The double Chuck Berry-dose. UJB. Hell, just listen to the thing. Lemieux did the right thing, releasing this one, and the DP#8 sounds lovely, if a bit odd, hearing the occasional random cough or laugh, but the entire show's there - around 3 hours, 8 minutes. What magnificence this is behold!
Subject: Brent & the Band Scarlet>Fire
Subject: bread crumb
Subject: Official Matrix Releases
I've said some of this on headyversion, but I wanted to come back here and share my thirty cents. I've got a copy, but I'm seriously thinking of buying the official release for two reasons. First, there haven't been many 80s releases (when compared with 70s releases), and there won't be if they don't sell. I know everyone has their favorite sound/year/tour, etc., but there's definitely lots of stuff from the 80s worth checking out, and it'd be nice to hear those in high-quality official versions.
Second, to the best of my knowledge, this is the first official matrix that's been put out. I personally like the mix of SBD clarity and AUD ambience and hall sound, but I also love the idea of more official matrix releases. There are some shows with great AUDs and so-so SBDs (and vice versa), so I think matrices would open up the potential for official releases in a big way.
Again, just my own opinion, and I know everyone won't agree, but if either of these things––more 80s releases and/or more matrix releases––sound like something you're interested in, considering shelling out for a copy.
Subject: stained glass prisms
Subject: This dude below me is a clown
Subject: The jealousy is sooo obvious.
Subject: Fox Lore
I have nothing good to say about '82-'95 (other than Crazy Fingers '82).
5/19/77 is also a phenomenal night at the Fox Theater for Grateful Dead.
Subject: the best
Do you remember where you lost your tape?
I believe I might have it.
Subject: mind enhancement maybe?
Subject: Sirius played this today - Thank You Sirius !!
The thing we have to remember with these shows is that I am sure on nights like this they are looking at Brent and smiling because they realize that they have someone special in the band cause Brent just kills it all the way through here. The way he fills in with organs and electric piano is awesome. Jerry is playing with a fervor , like a madman esp during Fire, I mean like he is pissed off. I am going to go with 5 stars , the first set is good , but the 2nd set is a keeper in the daily rotation for a while now....
Subject: Nice recording of a good 1980 second set
It's a very enjoyable and extensive write-up about the Dead and the fans obsessed with live recordings. This version of Scarlet > Fire (I've never heard "scar fire" as the article mentions) is indeed exuberant. The solo in scarlet is a great way to judge Garcia on a particular night. Sometimes he'll do 12 verses trying to get to something and never quite does (e.g. Portland 6/12/80) or sometimes he absolutely nails it and takes it up and down the neck before finally going back to "Wind in the Willows plays tea for two". On the nights when he neither hits nor gives it those extra tries, you know he's tired (at least at that moment). Althea is another song of this era that he gets into this level of search/expression on. 80/81 are underrated years - he was playing great. The China Doll solo on this one is a ripper.
Subject: Love the transition
Subject: I just don't see it..
Those two versions just roll along like a northbound train and its as if God himself is playing the guitar..
BUT it may be the best drummed and certainly the best "Brent" keyed version ever...oh my god its actually pretty amazing (I'm listening on phones right as we speak). Its top 5...
go fall 1980.
Subject: via Columbia MO, The Professor, online radio
Subject: 30 years.. wow
Subject: Big fan of this show.
Subject: on the 80's
Subject: A Special Night - Wish I was there
Some before I went to shows,
and others during the run.
THIS!!! is one that was, and continues to be, a staple in my listening world.
First of all, Good Auds over SBD'S anytime! That's how I had this.
I've been to , and listened to anything I could, (in LARGE part due to this site). Crazy wild late 60's,to explorative 73-74, to crancking 77's,and on to the sad end )
I love it all for what it is. And the different songs, moods, places, and eras only lend to the experience and relationship that we've all developed with the band. Sorry... THE best Scarlet/Fire,and space/Wheel..PLEASE find me something better. I've tried, but can't.The whole 2nd set-Bobby's Mick imitation( Around..),UJB encore, etc. The playing the transitions;this was one of those nights I wished I could see (I think I feel it from the aud)the band moving and playing as one. A DVD, something.
They're a VERY rare group. Enoy this. There's tons more. Better set lists,breakouts, memorable shows attended, but for REAL special nights, this is right up there.
Subject: The Wheel + Deal
scarlet> fire is as great as everyone says, but the soundboard disguises that fact a little. samson peaks hard. ship of fools was surprisingly good; didn't expect such a rush from that one. playin' is well jammed; that is, they sound like they mean it.
the intro to the wheel reminds me of 2.25.90, which is very familiar to me and also well jammed. Nonetheless, the whole space segent is based on the intro to the Wheel, and Brent seals the deal upon arrival. Great jam into unexpected China Doll, and great unexpected segue into Around. This is a great one.
the soundboard and audience recordings are not very well pitch-matched, and I wonder why the soundboard is used here when the audience sounds this good. The Grateful Dead in 1980 continues to surprise.
Subject: Very good show
Subject: El Loco Gringo Below
shoddy or lacking versions of Scarlet>Fire and Sampson or any of the rest of this gem. The first and second sets just smoke. The AUD portions are just thunderous! Great recording.
Subject: I'm with Elvis on this one.
This is really a stunningly mediocre Scarlet>Fire. The only jam in there with any emotion to it is the final Fire jam. I haven't listened to the Samson yet, but the least I can say is that anyone who thinks these are standout performances of Scarlet>Fire and Samson should take another listen to Dick's Picks 18.
Subject: Best Scar>Fire I Have Ever Heard
Then, the Fire on the Mountain is fun, funky, and very well jammed. A nice, crisp and succinct ending to the Fire wraps it all up brilliantly.
I agree with others that the whole show is noteworthy ... if not, one of the best ever.
I would also add that the Samson & Delilah, which hasn't been noted much on these reviews, was incredible ... really biblical. You can hear the power of Samson (and maybe also the power of God?!) coming through the whole band on this one. They were tight, strong, and powerful on this Samson. Really rockin'. Be careful when you listen to it, though, you might just 'tear this whole building down.'
Subject: Why not upload the whole Aud from Wise?
I'll take most of the 1980 Aud's over these Healy two tracks - sorry but admit ya'll most of the 79-83 two track boards sound like the band are in a padded room. No warmth, no room ambience and and brent's keys consistently too high in the mix.
Surprisingly, this one is much better than most the other boards but still...
Please upload the full Wise Audience source!
that way we'll at least get to DL this show instead of only streaming it.
Subject: Absolutely One of The Greatest Shows of the Era
Subject: really enjoyed this one
Subject: Amazing show!
Right from the beginning we get excellent performances. The very first song (Stranger) has an extended jam. Then we get an inspired version of Loser.
Subject: Three in a row!!
Subject: An excellent, close to perfect show nothing less.
Well it was a major surprise, the whole show is amazing. They nail almost every song (Weir is mediocre in some of his cowboy moments but im used to that), there is so much energy and excellent performance over the whole set that it should be listened carefully. small details that make the bigger picture an amazing experience. this is among moments like the october 94 shows. unexpected but at least as good as some of the known may 77 shows. nowadays this show is listened to several times everyday.
playing- maybe one of the best ever.
the transition of wheel, amazing!! worth the whole show alone.
ship of fools. outstanding.
stop reading this and listen to this amazing show!
I lost that tape over 15 years ago and I'm listening to it again now for the second time since then. I know what notes are coming. I know what Jerry is going to play. Very stange. After all that time to still be in my head. Wierd.
My favorite Scarlet-Fire. Always has been, always will be.
Subject: Good show, great sound!
to the reviewer who said the playin's reached their peak in 72? they just expanded playin in 71' and they were just getting started with em in 72...look for some nasty playin's like kezar 73 for sure. 73 and 74 has some tasty experimentation with PITB that will knock your socks off. listen to these years more before saying 72 was the end of playin....
Subject: My fiirst show - I need a download
Subject: Ground Control To Major Jerry
Subject: Love this show
Subject: Remarkable - One of the very best
It is not without its controversy. There seems to be dissention among the Heads concerning Scarlet/Fire and I can see that. Some have called it the best they have ever heard, others have called it overrated. If I was to pick one weak spot in the concert it would be the Scarlet/Fire. To me it was average, which means compared to other music out there it is outstanding. I recorded the concert, let it lie for months, then listened to it. I then decided that I was going to redo my two CDÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂs and actually drop Scarlet/Fire. Then I listened to it again weeks later and could not figure out why I would want to eliminate them. So even I am conflicted. But the rest of the concert is not confusing. It is outright in the top 10 of the 115 I have recorded, and once I review them all I would not be surprised if it lands in my top 5.
LetÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂs talk about PlayinÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ shall we? Listening back to the concerts I have recorded on this great site and on GDLive over the past two years I have come to the conclusion that for the most part PlayinÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ lost its greatness after 1972. PlayinÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ on WeirÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂs Ace album, my favorite album of all time, is the best piece of studio music I have heard. But I think for the most part the jamming became rather dull after 1972. I love the actual song part of it still but the jams are not inspiring. I did not have that opinion when I saw them live in concert, but that is my opinion listening to the song now, may years later. ButÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ.. this PlayinÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ is exceptional. It is played very fast and is played like a volcano erupting. It will become one of my favorite of all time.
I downloaded the concert from this site. I donÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂt know how it was recorded. What the hell does MSC>Reel>DATs>CDRs>etc mean? I donÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂt have a clue. All I know is it doesnÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂt say soundboard, but it sounds very good yet has the audience in it. If I had the choice I always prefer a good soundboard over the audience but for this concert it works great. It is such a great concert it is nice to hear the audience response. I love it 1:56 minutes into ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂSpaceÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ some guy asks ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂWhat song is this?ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ
The transition from China Doll to Around and Around is genius. If it wasnÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂt enough already, the passion, the intensity, the beauty, the band goes directly from Around and Around into Johnny B. Goode. When has that ever happened? They were on fire. This concert is why we all are here, still talking about them, still listening, still fans, for me a constant fan since 12/31/71, and very very thankful to all who have made this possible here and at GDLive. Thank you all so much. Peace and love. We are the world, we are the children.....Elvis the King.
I wish I had a SBD of this Playin'. Anyone???
Subject: Scarlet - Fire
Subject: Bird Song+
Very memorable scarlet>fire this is not the highlight of the show, the whole back end cranks. Good sampson and excellent playin sounds like warren haynes 20 years early errr or maybe the other way around...
Subject: THE BEST -- like a six-headed beethoven on owsley's finest
i think the first set is a wash, frankly. how they came out with this second set after a first set that sounds like a night off is beyond me. the samson is outrageous, jerry harnessing the feedback like he's reining a beast, the ship of fools is gorgeous and the space>wheel is absurdly beautiful, poignant.
this 2nd set is an example of what makes this band great. barton hall, yeah, sure, it's great. but this will blow you away.
GET IT AND GET PSYCHED, CUZ IT'S A FREAKING BLAZING DISPLAY!!!
Subject: the fox rocks
An absolute must record.
Subject: A View From The Vault
you don't get many from this era sounding this good, so drop what your doing.
Subject: scarlet fire
But this show has something amazing to offer: an incredible version of Scarlet Fire.
The version of this combo is spectacular for the transition into Fire. What happened is still a mystery to me but Jerry is taking off.
If any of you believe i do exagerate please be my guest and check this transition.
jerry is like a volcano in full eruption that doesn't want to cool down.
It is a miracle that the others managed to stick with him at this stage as he is really far out.
But the way the band manages to land the transition into Fire is a masterpiece:
A comet landing on earth in a wild explosion...
For the fans: check the compendium Vol 2 on this one, you will know what i am talking about.
So put on the Dead and spread!
Subject: Lovely show; very good recording